NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Zeloria** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:57 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:But anyway, ya like jazz?

Yes, he's a very cool transformer.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:58 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:That's called real life, Kiu. We're meant to be writing fiction.

~~I'm just saying that if Vancouver starts calling itself the Venice of the New World and talking about making NASA² I get to say I told you so.~~

ok nvm i want nuclear war now

a world in which vancouver is relevant is a world which deserves to die

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:00 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:~~I'm just saying that if Vancouver starts calling itself the Venice of the New World and talking about making NASA² I get to say I told you so.~~

ok nvm i want nuclear war now

a world in which vancouver is relevant is a world which deserves to die

i agree, and i wrote that scenario.

by **Comerciante** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:04 pm

Vancouver can't be relevant if their is no Vancouver! or Canada! or North Hemisphere!

-Stonks.

by **Miku the Based** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:06 pm

Las Palmeras wrote: succubi

Okay, now I'm horny.

by **Sengoku Americas** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:06 pm

Comerciante wrote:Vancouver can't be relevant if their is no Vancouver! or Canada! or North Hemisphere!

-Stonks.

No, please don't destroy Vancouver, I'm quite fond of that place.

by **Sengoku Americas** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:08 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:
That feel when Blade Runner is considered as optimistic as Disney's Tomorrowland was in the 1950s.

*shoves melting ice caps, increased global radicalization, constant brushfire wars, nuclear proliferation, the steady breakdown of the current one-superpower hegemonic world order, rising authoritarianism, the constant hell in central Asia, development of late-stage capitalism, my broken toe, and more under the table*
*curls into fetal ball crying*

Oh, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, shining at the end of every day, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, and tomorrow is just a day away...

Of course, my GDP graph's line is going up. Our world is getting better every day!

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:08 pm

Miku the Based wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote: succubi

Okay, now I'm horny.

by **Las Palmeras** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:12 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:
Hmm...should I insert slurs into my fantasy-esque setting in Tohorin AND get away with it? There's elves, ~~cat~~ coyote girls, dwarves, succubi and whatever else shitty JRPGs I wanna make fun of include.

The more the better. Racism is funny and can be used to great narrative effect.

Makes sense...La Matanza-styled events and lowkey ethnic cleansing are already par for the course in the setting.
...

Miku the Based wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote: succubi

Okay, now I'm horny.

The ~~socially awkward~~ stoic bounty hunter protagonist. Doesn't have magical powers because that doesn't work in this dimension. Adopted by the Tohorinese after getting violently orphaned. Amazonian and intimidates smaller Tohorinese would-be partners. ~~Hasn't had sex in 16 years~~. Feels insecure sometimes because of it. Also...just really quiet. Gets hurt physically. A LOT.

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
But anyway, ya like jazz?

I wanna write a Western because I HATE the noir storyline in LP's characters. This includes the cheesy sax. Somebody's gonna get shot for playing the piano and not the pianie.

by **Zeloria** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:53 pm

Sengoku Americas wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:*shoves melting ice caps, increased global radicalization, constant brushfire wars, nuclear proliferation, the steady breakdown of the current one-superpower hegemonic world order, rising authoritarianism, the constant hell in central Asia, development of late-stage capitalism, my broken toe, and more under the table*
*curls into fetal ball crying*

Oh, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, shining at the end of every day, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, and tomorrow is just a day away...

Of course, my GDP graph's line is going up. Our world is getting better every day!

To be honest, I don't really think that we are heading to the "late-stage capitalist hellscape" you are saying we are, because those mega-corporations that have a lot of power right now WILL be regulated, just as what always has happened when corporate power got too big. It happened during the gilded age with trust-busting, it happened during the industrial revolution and it is happening right now with the EU and Australia trying to regulate facebook and google. What I'm trying to say is things are looking kinda bad right now, but bad times never last, and be a bit more optimistic about the future.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:00 pm

Zeloria wrote:be a bit more optimistic about the future.

Au contraire:

Only dreamers believe that there is a way out. Optimism is cowardice. We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honourable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man.
- Oswald Spengler

Pessimism is cool and we all need to have more of it. It makes for fantastic aesthetics.

But anyway, this isn't the G*neral forum, so I'll digress. Point is that if you want the inspiration to build dying societies and crumbling worlds, look no further than the future.

by **Zeloria** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:19 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:Pessimism is cool and we all need to have more of it. It makes for fantastic aesthetics.

I'm so sorry, but cyberpunk

solarpunk

Now lets get back to of NS-cliches because we've changed topic.... again. We've changed topics from cliches to something else so much on this thread, that it should be cliche itself.

by **Las Palmeras** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:35 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:But anyway, this isn't the G*neral forum, so I'll digress. Point is that if you want the inspiration to build dying societies and crumbling worlds, look no further than the future.

The 4.2 Kiloyear Event and the Egyptian Old Kingdom...
The Bronze Age Collapse...
The Classic Maya Collapse and Teotihuacano Culture...

PT gets no respect from nobody.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:47 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:The Bronze Age Collapse...

The tablet is addressed from one noble lord to another. It speaks of barbarians at the gate, raiders with bright weapons and swarthy garb. They beat at the walls. They call for his head. He does not have much time, he writes. He urges his fellows to come to his relief. The tablet was recovered resting in a heating kiln, cracked from time overlong in the fire. It is surrounded by ash.

And by arrow-heads.

by **Dayganistan** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:57 pm

Rule of cool military uniforms are an NS cliche, right? MT nations who make uniforms that are brightly coloured or otherwise impractical for the modern battlefield just because they look cool.

by **Miku the Based** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:12 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:The ~~socially awkward~~ stoic bounty hunter protagonist. Doesn't have magical powers because that doesn't work in this dimension. Adopted by the Tohorinese after getting violently orphaned. Amazonian and intimidates smaller Tohorinese would-be partners. ~~Hasn't had sex in 16 years~~. Feels insecure sometimes because of it. Also...just really quiet. Gets hurt physically. A LOT.
(Image)
My first sketch of her.

That's borderline 18+ right there. There better not be handholding.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:But anyway, this isn't the G*neral forum, so I'll digress. Point is that if you want the inspiration to build dying societies and crumbling worlds, look no further than the future.

The 4.2 Kiloyear Event and the Egyptian Old Kingdom...
The Bronze Age Collapse...
The Classic Maya Collapse and Teotihuacano Culture...

PT gets no respect from nobody.

I'm sorry! But the secret police looks so much cooler with AKs than bows and arrows.

by **Miku the Based** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:17 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:
The 4.2 Kiloyear Event and the Egyptian Old Kingdom...
The Bronze Age Collapse...
The Classic Maya Collapse and Teotihuacano Culture...

PT gets no respect from nobody.

I'm sorry! But the secret police looks so much cooler with AKs than bows and arrows.

Why not both?

by **Las Palmeras** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:24 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:The Bronze Age Collapse...

The tablet is addressed from one noble lord to another. It speaks of barbarians at the gate, raiders with bright weapons and swarthy garb. They beat at the walls. They call for his head. He does not have much time, he writes. He urges his fellows to come to his relief. The tablet was recovered resting in a heating kiln, cracked from time overlong in the fire. It is surrounded by ash.

And by arrow-heads.

That sounds epic...

*Fast Forward to LP*
"...now, who'll stick around to see my presentation over how the stylistic differences in luxury ceramics and imitations show abrupt cultural and economic change?"

Dayganistan wrote:Rule of cool military uniforms are an NS cliche, right? MT nations who make uniforms that are brightly coloured or otherwise impractical for the modern battlefield just because they look cool.

I forced myself into making Tohorin Schizo-Tech to imitate Porfirian/Federal Mexico in military style. I wouldn't have gotten away with PT as the Tohorinese wouldn't be wearing uniforms, or much of anything really. No. That's not a kink. I based them off the Chichimeca.

Miku the Based wrote:
That's borderline 18+ right there. There better not be handholding.

And the funniest (or saddest) thing, I realized she looks an awful lot like a certain NSFW toxic gamer character on Twitter after I played around with the hairstyles.
*ahem*
Now to change themes: Holding hands- On romance...or a romantic subplot. I'm seriously considering hinting at one but not actually writing about it. Romance tropes are...meh.

South Reinkalistan wrote:I'm sorry! But the secret police looks so much cooler with AKs than bows and arrows.

No ritualistic torture made out of genuine altruism for humanity? For shame...

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:38 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:That sounds epic...

*Fast Forward to LP*
"...now, who'll stick around to see my presentation over how the stylistic differences in luxury ceramics and imitations show abrupt cultural and economic change?"

~~Fun fact: It's actually just me dramatizing the Extra Credits History video on the Bronze Age Collapse's intro.~~
Also yeah, I'd def watch that presentation, tbh.

I forced myself into making Tohorin Schizo-Tech to imitate Porfirian/Federal Mexico in military style. I wouldn't have gotten away with PT as the Tohorinese wouldn't be wearing uniforms, or much of anything really. No. That's not a kink. I based them off the Chichimeca.

Celts did it too, iirc. I remember reading something about the Romans having such ridiculous engagements with them because they'd just sort of try to intimidate the Romans with their sheer ｄｏｍｉｎａｎｃｅ and ｅｎｅｒｇｙ and then find out that gladii are far more effective when they're being stabbed into people showing off their chiseled [REDACTED]s than into armor.

Of course that's probably just hearsay so not sure. Funny if true, though.

And the funniest (or saddest) thing, I realized she looks an awful lot like a certain NSFW toxic gamer character on Twitter after I played around with the hairstyles.
*ahem*
Now to change themes: Holding hands- On romance...or a romantic subplot. I'm seriously considering hinting at one but not actually writing about it. Romance tropes are...meh.

The only actual romance I've written with a serious bent to it was an offhand mention for a sociopath climbing the career ladder and using marriage as a way to get a character reference.

So, yeah, I'd definitely agree with that right there. I genuinely wouldn't know how to write one if I tried.

South Reinkalistan wrote:I'm sorry! But the secret police looks so much cooler with AKs than bows and arrows.

No ritualistic torture made out of genuine altruism for humanity? For shame...

Don't know why but now I've got the image of like a postapocalyptic society viewing the fueling of machines as some kind of bloodletting of oil and viewing fuel as "sacred blood" or something like that.
Big mechanicus energy tbh.

by **Kyoki Chudoku Bunkatsu** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:43 pm

I’ve technically done romance plots before. But they’ve all tended to involve various degrees of insanity and sometimes intense amounts of depression and betrayal. So not exactly much to aspire to, or indeed much solely written by myself.

There was that one time Kurushimi and Gikochinai went on a pseudo-date, but I don’t know if that really counts since it was more a one-off sort of thing. Though I suppose in Bunkatsu canon those two had a couple more, but it did have diplomatic overtones and such.

by **Las Palmeras** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:50 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:Celts did it too, iirc. I remember reading something about the Romans having such ridiculous engagements with them because they'd just sort of try to intimidate the Romans with their sheer ｄｏｍｉｎａｎｃｅ and ｅｎｅｒｇｙ and then find out that gladii are far more effective when they're being stabbed into people showing off their chiseled [REDACTED]s than into armor.

Of course that's probably just hearsay so not sure. Funny if true, though.

The Spanish got their asses handed to them bad. The Chichimeca were too mobile to defeat and preferred ranged engagements, Spanish armor was apparently either too much for the arid heat and/or it apparently did little against the velocity and sharpness of obsidian-tipped reed projectiles...and mestizos and slaves kept defecting to the Chichimecas' ranks. So they had to be coaxed with the wonders of agriculture. Basically what I wrote about Tohorin.

Kiu Ghesik wrote:The only actual romance I've written with a serious bent to it was an offhand mention for a sociopath climbing the career ladder and using marriage as a way to get a character reference.

So, yeah, I'd definitely agree with that right there. I genuinely wouldn't know how to write one if I tried.

Charlie boy and Nu-Montse are shaping up to be Dollar Store Miroslavskys.

by **Sengoku Americas** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:53 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:That sounds epic...

And the funniest (or saddest) thing, I realized she looks an awful lot like a certain NSFW toxic gamer character on Twitter after I played around with the hairstyles.
*ahem*
Now to change themes: Holding hands- On romance...or a romantic subplot. I'm seriously considering hinting at one but not actually writing about it. Romance tropes are...meh.

The only actual romance I've written with a serious bent to it was an offhand mention for a sociopath climbing the career ladder and using marriage as a way to get a character reference.

So, yeah, I'd definitely agree with that right there. I genuinely wouldn't know how to write one if I tried.

Romances are fun to write, but definitely not suited for actual nations in any way.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:55 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:The Spanish got their asses handed to them bad. The Chichimeca were too mobile to defeat and preferred ranged engagements, Spanish armor was apparently either too much for the arid heat and/or it apparently did little against the velocity and sharpness of obsidian-tipped reed projectiles...and mestizos and slaves kept defecting to the Chichimecas' ranks. So they had to be coaxed with the wonders of agriculture. Basically what I wrote about Tohorin.

Sort-of same thing happened with the Crusaders and Cataphracts in regards to "armor too hot" in their campaigns iirc, so it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Kiu Ghesik wrote:The only actual romance I've written with a serious bent to it was an offhand mention for a sociopath climbing the career ladder and using marriage as a way to get a character reference.

So, yeah, I'd definitely agree with that right there. I genuinely wouldn't know how to write one if I tried.

Charlie boy and Nu-Montse are shaping up to be Dollar Store Miroslavskys.

Ah, so happiness is something that only happens in Soviet!Palmeras. I see.

by **Baizou** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:03 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:Now to change themes: Holding hands- On romance...or a romantic subplot. I'm seriously considering hinting at one but not actually writing about it. Romance tropes are...meh.

as the voice of Palpatine: Dewit.

I'm a bit of a sucker for romance stories myself, though I suppose they don't tend to get executed well on NationStates. The usual writers aren't typically up to the task... ^~^;

Sengoku Americas wrote:Romances are fun to write, but definitely not suited for actual nations in any way.

From what I've gathered, there seems to be something good going on with the Ari–John Ross story, though perhaps that's more an exception than a rule.

There's only one other romance RP on NationStates that I heard about and remember as being more than just one-liner oddness, though it was so long I no longer remember the nations' names. I remember it was an odd alternative-timeline-dictatorship nation, yet also apparently just a pretty pedestrian, saccharine romance arc.

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